So i guess you are saying that graduating in the top ten from Stow High School doesn't mean much(cough choke). Maybe not even person is not cut out for math and science (cough choke). And maybe you should get involved instead of just making snide comments on the internet if you think it is that bad.

In case you haven't noticed, we've been wiped with the floor for the past few decades. This didn't just start happening.
And many people who are always complaining about the quality of education should look in the mirror.

Uh excuse me Mr. McFalls,

I'm currently attending graduate school in engineering at a local university. I have miriad persoanl anecdotes I can share about what's going on, even in engineering.

1) Undergraduate engineering students whining regularly about not being able to use computers with Mat-lab or MathCad when taking tests.

2) Engineering students not being able to write coherent sentences in engineering exams requiring expository writing.

3) Graduate schools filled with 80%+ foreign students. Last fall in continuum mechanics, the Chineese and Arab students had ZERO trouble with the foundational tensor calculus. What was second nature for them was new territiry for most of the American students.

4) I work regularly with Japanese, Chinese and Indian engineers. Calculus is standard Junior year math to them. They learn junior and senior level physics in 8th and 9th grade. I'm also personal friends with a Russian ex-pat who was a member of the Russian academy of Science. Physics with simple math is taught in 6th grade in Russia.

Get involved? Why bother ... Seems in this town you're immediately labled an uneducated malcontent if you open your mouth.

I just question the following:
1) Why isn't formal English grammar drilled anymore? Does anyone else remember the tortuous but excellent Warriners Grammar books?

2) Honestly, why does it take 8 years to teach arithmetic? Couldn't algebra at the 7th grade level be a worthy goal?

3) Why can't physical sciences like physics and chemistry, with simple problem solving, be intoduced in 6th grade?

4) American history and civics? In Illinois in the 70s we had to pass a US Constitution test in both 8th grade and 11th grade.

I'm all for foreign languages .. the more the better. Mandarin NEEDS to be offered.

And I've been highly involved, fighting to keep AP and foreign language classes from being cut at SMFHS - on the front line.

All I ask is what is in the IB curricula? How does IB teach English (writing/grammar)? How does it teach math? What science does it teach at the grade school level?
How is American History taught?

No longer have children in the schools ... maybe this whole debate is irrelevant.