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IB World School Status Not Being Pursued at Indian Trail 'At This Time'

But, Indian Trail is still an IB candidate school.

Indian Trail Elementary School won't pursue full International Baccalaureate status at this time, but the controversial teaching method will still be used there, following school board action Monday.

After a couple amendments and motions, the  rejected, in a 3-2 vote,  a recommendation to " take the steps necessary to obtain International Baccalaureate World School status for  and not pursue such status at any other school in the district at this time." But, it still remains as an IB 'candidate' school.

Board members Karen Powers, Fred Bonacci and Rod Armstrong voted against the motion and members Dick Spangler and Karen Wright voted for the motion at the at the .

To get that status, the board would have to approve pursuing it. IB program officials then would visit the school to evaluate whether it is prepared to become an IB World School.

Indian Trail teachers have been training to teach using the IB program; four more are going to Westlake in March for IB training, at a cost of $3,200.

Professional development in the program will continue, Superintendent Russ Jones said. That's because professional development through IB training may be taken by any teacher in any district, even those not in IB candidate or status schools, a district spokeswoman said.

"Moving forward we will pay a $7,600 yearly affiliation fee and will cap our professional development expenses at $7,500 each year," Jones said in an email before the meeting. Money to pay for the fees and expenses come from Summit County and federal funds.

According to the program's website, it takes a few years for a candidate school to pursue World School status. Indian Trail is in its second year as a candidate school.

District Treasurer/CFO Catherine Bulgrin said although the motion was voted down, a similar motion is likely to appear before the board again. 

"We will continue to pursue that status as we move forward," she said.

Armstrong said again he does not favor having the program in the district at all and made a motion to "suspend all actions to pursue IB World School status for IT and not to pursue such status at any other school at this time." The motion failed because it was not seconded.

Bonacci, who said he is very "neutral" on the subject of IB at Indian Trail, said he supports the option the Indian Trail teachers and the district's IB coordinator offered during a private meeting with him Sunday: evaluate whether the program should stay, be modified or killed after a year.

The IB program has met with strong resistance from a group whose members say it wastes money that could be used in other professional development areas or disagree with the program's international aspects. Some commented during the meeting. No residents spoke in favor of the program.

Debbie S. January 30, 2012 at 01:45 am
If parents weren't told about IB in your district (and frankly, I find that difficult to believe!), how is that a fault of the program? You say IB is not "the answer" so what other answers do you suggest? Just to be clear, I am not necessarily advocating IB per se. As I said, I have no skin in this game save as a taxpayer. However, I *am* advocating an openness and willingness to educational change which is embarrassingly lacking in this town. I simply don't accept the premise of "it's always been this way, so it must be ok the way it is." It isn't - and more & more parents like me are recognizing this and making different educational choices for their children.
Debbie S. January 30, 2012 at 01:54 am
I am a 7th generation American on several branches of my family and as a member of the Daughters of the American Revolution, I am dedicated to educating people about our freedoms and responsibilities as American citizens. However, I am embarrassed by the sorry state of many people's international awareness, knowledge, and sensitivity. Far too many Americans are content to isolate themselves at home and look down their noses at the rest of the world. In fact, I will go so far as to state that I believe this xenophobia was a definite factor in the 9-11 attacks. I certainly hope that my children will be far more culturally and internationally aware than I was while growing up in this area in the 1970's and 1980's. I first traveled abroad in 1989 when I was 19 and it opened my eyes and changed my life. There is no other country (or state, for that matter) in which I wish to live and make a life, but I sure hope to expose my children to the beauty and diversity this world offers a lot sooner than I was.
Ed Kent January 30, 2012 at 01:20 pm
I believe part of the dynamics that have changed in this nation in which many, like Debbie and myself, clearly see deficiencies can be attributed to the changes in home life. Those families who grow up in an atmosphere of global reach tend to already instill in their children some of the senses IB tries to do, but without leaving out belief, faith and divine love which is for everyone. Children from certain Christian homes, where the parents actually live an example of what they believe instead of in church on the weekends and drinking and swearing at their kids the next, are the ones who's children seem to be more aware of other cultures since they are exposed to missionary projects and teachings. IB is the humanistic approach of trying to do that without belief balance in the U.S. since that is forbidden here. While in other nations such as Switzerland, they have more balance since they aren't afraid to have a Bible or other religious text in the building (they don't have an ACLU looking over their shoulder).
Furthermore, Dr. Jones has stated twice, that I can recall, that IB is being funded not only with federal funds but also with Summit County property taxes so yes it is being funded locally in part at this time. If they were to expand it then most of it would have to be funded from our property taxes and not just our income taxes (federal funds) because most of the district's schools do not qualify for the Title 1 funds. It was wise to limit it to one school.
Frank DiGeorge January 30, 2012 at 01:42 pm
Debbie, here are some of the problems with IB:
1) Compared to AP, IB will increase college costs for most students. 2) The required TOK class is composed entirely of questions like, "When can it be right to disobey the law? Can suicide bombers be right?" 3) IB will not improve student performance. 4) IB's pedagogical method is one of constructivism and inquiry based learning to promote a specific ideology. 5) IB is extremely expensive. 6) Why schools drop IB. 7) Some people have religious concerns with IB. 8) IB is an NGO of UNESCO (UN) and the goal is to promote the UN ideology. 9) At the elementary level IB is forced on all children in the school and the stated goal is to "develop attitudes," and to get students to "take action." 10) With IB, schools give up some local control to a Swiss organization. 11) AP is the best fit for gifted students. 12) When IB/AP classes are combined the IB material must take priority. 13) For the IB diploma students must complete 10 required classes in 11th and 12th grade. 14) IB is implemented in a deceitful way over and over throughout the United States. Once someone questions IB an open and honest discussion is never allowed, and the community becomes divided. This article has links proving/supporting each statement above, http://myinclinevillage.com/2011/07/31/what-all-parents--students-should-know-before-enrolling-in-ib.aspx
Ed Kent January 30, 2012 at 04:04 pm
What Frank has stated is not some conjured up stuff, but taken right from direct facts from the IB website and experience. Those who haven't really studied IB's website or actually experienced these things might find it hard to believe.
Many have wondered why any superintendent and his faithful treasurer would try so hard to push such a thing upon a district where it seems most parents don't want it. In these types of cases, if the district ends up not renewing a superintendent's contract, there have been cases where that person has been escalated within the IB organization. Some of the tactics the IBers are told to use to thwart anyone who opposes the IB philosophy, especially in meetings with concerned parents, are those used by Scientologists. No, they are different, but some of the tactics are very similar.
Mike Barnes January 31, 2012 at 03:01 pm
Donny -- OK enlighten the hand full of people who will really read this
1> Explain by example how they are a dictatorship? 2> What wasteful and unwatched spending? 3> Specific lies -- what when and where? 4> Favoritism! To who and when? 5> Mismanaged school system! In what documented way? Or is this just your opinion? If you respond please spare us the innuendo, heresy and your humble opinions. Please just give us substantiated facts. After all you are among those who have requested and received many public records. Surely all those public records requests have uncovered a smoking gun of deceit, corruption, lies. hidden accounts, frivolous spending and a wanton disregard for the needs of the majority of our students! Come on Donny -- it’s time for the big reveal -- its time for you to wake of the citizens. Show what you have Donny! If you do have the goods man up and lead the charge to buy out their contracts and fire the board members who hired them! IMHO it is time for those of you looking at the world through your butts to either put up or shut up – just sayin’
Debbie S. January 31, 2012 at 03:24 pm
Frank,
The TOK class questions are EXACTLY the types of questions I want my kids to evaluate: questions that go past adolescent "the world is black and white" thinking to foster CRITICAL thinking skills that (most) adults know are needed in the "real" world. The "proof" your link offers regarding student performance is based on on standardized test scores. I'm sure you know that there is considerable debate over the value of such testing, what can - and cannot - be tested, and the extent to which testing is narrowing the curriculum. Here is an entire site dedicated to exploring the pros and cons of standardized testing. http://standardizedtests.procon.org/. Inquiry-based learning is a significant positive. We don't need constant lectures facts are readily available and easily found. Real world jobs involve asking questions, evaluating situations, and solving problems. For those who don't know, doing a science fair project is an example of inquiry-based learning. Instead of being spoon-fed information, students ask questions and explore the answers in a hands-on way. Likewise, getting students to take action is a real benefit. I WANT my kids to know that they can make a difference in the world. It's called fostering leadership. Is IB the only answer? Not at all (and maybe not even the best answer - I never said it was). But sadly, too many Stow residents are against ANY ed change (look how many still grouse over Investigations) and THAT is the true tragedy.
FrankRizzo January 31, 2012 at 04:54 pm
Donny - you have been drinking to much of Lori M's kool-aid.
Mike Barnes January 31, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Donny
Yadda Yadda –For Christ’s sake Donny you don’t need to explain it to me I already know the truth and I am very familiar with the game you are playing. Besides I actually read and understood the audited records. But please be so kind to enlighten the people out there that you want to wake up by dazzling them all the wrong doing you have uncovered. Or making bold statements followed by “just wait and see............” What kind of wimpy butt bluff is that? Donny you made the statements – defend them to the people you want to take action! Also, why would anyone just resign if they have a contract? Sorry dude -- if they go before their contract ends -- they go with wheelbarrows full of money. Angry -- you bet I am!! Nimrods slinging BS and lacking the stones to put their cards on the table really do make me angry. Gutless wonders!!
FrankRizzo February 1, 2012 at 12:39 am
Looks like Donny V. got run ------- Frank DiGeorge your next.
And Donny, I know you'll be looking in, my bad, Lori M is Lisa M.
Ed Kent February 1, 2012 at 07:44 pm
Karen, I think this person just likes to stir the pot and enjoys any attention even if it's seems negative to the rest of us. Some witnessed his outburst ot the last board meeting where he claimed he was "putting the board on notice". I'm not sure what that even meant. Some people applauded his emotional outburst when he was asked to speak (he was the first one they called upon to speak from the public) because many of them couldn't hear exactly what he was trying to say, but instead heard a disgruntled person and they thought he must be feeling what they were feeling. But, it was mainly parents upset about IB that were in attendance, so they probably didn't realize he's for IB. The audio was very poor at the meeting.
Ed Kent February 1, 2012 at 07:48 pm
Unfortunately, those who control the now $60,000,000 + annual revenue in the school district don't seem to really care what you or others think or at least that's the way they act when they try to force things parents don't want. And, if you speak the truth and form a political action group, watch out they'll sue you even though they'll lose most of their case in court with the exception of a couple words (legal disclosure: "they" meaning levy committee). As long as they can make your life uncomfortable to try to silence those who might jeopardize their plan they seem to do whatever it takes. Of course, it seems they use other 'outside' groups to go after you.
I'm not involved with any political group, but what the administration and the levy committee have done has really opened my eyes and other people's eyes to see what they truly are. I hope change for the better can happen in time, but it depends on the board. Meanwhile, our children and their parents aren't reaping all the benefits they could be. Most of the teachers are caught in a bad place. You can't blame them for being careful. They must protect their job even if they don't agree with the leadership and the levy committee's lawyered-up tactics. If this kind of stuff continues and they keep trying to ram programs down parent's throats yet threaten to cut busing if a levy isn't passed, look for more students to be removed from this public system. I know some who've opted to move out of Ohio completely. Sad.
Mike Barnes February 1, 2012 at 08:36 pm
Ed -- what is really sad is how much you and the others keep looking for a conspiracy where none exists!
Ed Kent February 1, 2012 at 09:36 pm
Conspiracy means a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: "He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government."
I've never said what you or the district administrators do is a "conspiracy". I've never really thought these things are secret. It seems plenty of people realize and are not pleased.
Karen Gonidakis February 1, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Thank you, Mr. Kent. Yes we do realize what's going on (not a conspiracy) and we are not pleased. We are simply trying to do what's best for the children and the taxpayers.
Janet Dean February 1, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Mr. Kent- You said, " they try to force things parents don't want."
I have heard that there are about 20 people who oppose IB and most are not IT parents. How many parents are you talking about and what percentage of the parents would that be? "Most of the teachers are caught in a bad place. You can't blame them for being careful." Public perception is that tenure makes it impossible to fire teachers even when they are doing a poor job. Apparently, you do not feel this to be the case and that they, as professionals, are not set enough in their convictions to state their beliefs. Regardless, I think it's interesting that you feel qualified to interpret their feelings. What are you basing that on?
Tom Mcfalls February 1, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Karen I think an excellent school system is good for the children and for the tax payers. Just because everyone doesn't agree with everything that the admin or BOE decide on does not mean we have to call for their resignation or make things up about the people that run our school system.
Ed Kent February 2, 2012 at 03:00 am
It's obvious that there will never be a consensus on the IB controversy just as there are those with faith and yet those who don't believe they even have a soul and aren't much different than a chipmunk when it comes to more than just a mammal body.
The thing that I think is encouraging to all is that the treasurer and super believe the district has enough funds to go forward with IB, as was plainly stated by the auditor when he stated the district has plans to expand IB district wide (they won't be able to fund that with all fed money, in fact the can't now). So, this is encouraging that we won't be threatened again with "if you don't pass this levy we won't have enough for all the bus routes". As far as people "hearing" there are only x number that don't like IB or are concerned about it that leaves a lot of room for doubt. It would be interesting if they were able to take an anonymous vote from citizens of Stow whether any funds can go toward IB or whether citizens believe the funds are better used for other things in the district. The vote would have to be without names or parents will be afraid of retaliation against their student as has been already reported. If we can't depend on the school board to bring this to a vote then maybe the citizens must decide at the ballot. But, the wording of the issue should be carefully done to show the funds have alternative use. Title 1 and 2 funds are not exclusive to IB.
Janet Dean February 2, 2012 at 11:29 am
"As far as people "hearing" there are only x number that don't like IB or are concerned about it that leaves a lot of room for doubt." If you have other data, speak up.
Mr. Kent, perhaps people would take your concerns with the money more seriously if you didn't make statements like " they try to force things parents don't want" when that group of parents seems to be a super minority. A loud minority is still a minority. Or, perhaps if you didn't speak for teachers and families as if your beliefs are necessarily theirs, others would be more confident of what your true objection is to the program. "If we can't depend on the school board to bring this to a vote then maybe the citizens must decide at the ballot." I did cast my ballot when I voted for school board members. There were other people running who seriously opposed IB. They were not elected. I think that removes a "lot of doubt."
Ed Kent February 2, 2012 at 04:32 pm
You must have not been at the last meeting where the majority of parents were against the IB resolution and applauded the board when they voted against the resolution. In fact, I only heard parents speak against IB. I sat next to a student who whispered what she thought of IB and it wasn't positive. One of the board members wanted to bring up a chance for all of them to vote yes or no on the whole IB issue, but it was not seconded. Of course, that may be because one of the members admitted they hadn't had time to really evaluate IB and its fit with this district. Once all of them are aware of IB and also the sentiments of the citizens then they can make a decision in the future one way or another. If that choice for a decision does not come to fruition and if citizens of Stow and Munroe Falls feel strongly one way or the other on IB they can certainly get the issue on the general ballot and the decision will be made one way or the other. But, we must give the board a chance first to make an informed decision. At this point they were wise, at least in the eyes of those at the meeting, to reject the resolution. It seems the standing-room-only crowd was pleased with the board's decision that night.
Sue Durbin February 2, 2012 at 07:58 pm
Ed Kent, First you use a fake name cuz your afraid of people knowing the real you. Cowardly. And you keep saying your not coming back on to Patch and you never STOP. Some of us have a good idea who you are....
Ed Kent February 2, 2012 at 08:44 pm
Why do you think my name is not Ed? How would I know whether your full name begins with Sue or Karen or whatever? I don't care what part of your name you go by or if you use a nickname. Doesn't bother me because I'm not threatened by your views on issues affecting Stow. Oh, I see this is your first time on Stow Patch. Welcome new commenter! Also, I don't recall ever stating on here that I was not coming back to this site. Yes, I've considered it because of the way some people treat others in our community and it makes Stow look bad to others who don't know what Stow is like if they continually see crude hurtful personal attacks or bullying on Stow Patch and I don't want to be a part of that if it continues. Stow residents, for the most part, aren't mean or nasty to others and they don't, for the most part, stalk people or try to intimidate commenters. I've seen some of that on here which really takes away from what I think this site is supposed to be about. Kind of the mentality of "I'm going to find out where you live and make your life miserable because I feel threatened by your discussions on Patch". Sounds silly doesn't it.
Now, back to the topic. Are you happy or disappointed with the board's decision to fail the resolution? Or, do you not have an opinion on the resolution? It's okay if you don't wish to respond, I'm just curious to your personal view on the topic above.
Sue Durbin February 2, 2012 at 09:12 pm
I have read that you said on here its not your name. Ed Kent isnt a registered voter and for someone with so much opinions you would be a registered voter. You said Mr Armstrong at last BOE meeting said take out "at this time" when it wasnt Armstrong it was Bonacci. You dont want to be part of attacks and you are the most negative person on here. I cant stand negative people and ones who only complain. You sure seem to hate Stow and you think you know so much. I say your either Armstrong or one of the Idiocracy people. Im not new here but people like you made me speak up becuz your so negative
Ed Kent February 2, 2012 at 09:39 pm
I stand corrected. It was Mr. Bonacci that said to remove "at this time". Thank you. Also, I'm certainly not Mr. Armstrong or from the group you mentioned. It's also sad that you consider anyone who felt the board did the right thing about the resolution as a 'Stow hater'. Why would you consider anyone a hater of a city that they care about and one who may not agree with you on IB but certainly agrees that we can improve. Those who complain about people who seek to make government more accountable in anyway are the true complainers, wouldn't you agree? They seem so threatened by the press sometimes or by anyone who wishes to comment or raise a question. Why do they feel threatened? Why do they seem to lash out and call others complainers even as to go so far as to look up voter registration or maybe even properties? If wanting to keep our town a great place to live and one in which people can afford to live is negative in your mind then it's probably because you don't agree with the approach to that. That's why there is more than one political party, more than one religion, more than one nation. Would you call athiests complainers because they don't agree with those who proclaim faith? Just an example. Also, I never looked up your voter registration to see if you go by your first name or middle name on here since it doesn't matter to me. I know some people who have 5 legal names, but they go by just two usually and yet some 'first' names to some are not first to them.
Sue Durbin February 2, 2012 at 09:48 pm
just calling you out Ed, i am not sure how i feel about IB so your wrong on that. Also i didnt look you up but i know many who have because many people talk about you in this town as a royal pain. I still say coward.
Ed Kent February 2, 2012 at 10:20 pm
I understand. Wow, I had no idea anybody was talking about my little comments on here. Maybe I should get paid for drawing attention to this site. :) Maybe for every person who hates my comment because it goes against the status quo and has to respond I get a Patch star or maybe a penny? Why would anyone think I'm a royal pain unless they think the comment has enough merit that others might ponder it? If what I comment on has no merit than surely no one would pay any attention. Maybe I take it all too seriously and should just go with the flow. But then I look at how much I pay in taxes and begin to think about what it goes toward and suddenly feel some sense of hoping and wanting all the hard earned money to be spent wisely. I believe most of it is spent wisely, especially with our city services. I think our city hall staff are awesome and our police officers the best. I also believe Summit County spends wisely when it comes to our disabled citizens.
Debbie S. February 10, 2012 at 12:43 pm
*sigh* It's not WHAT'S taught that needs revision - it's HOW. Sadly, it's clear that in Stow, too many people are change resistant, despite the abundant evidence that centuries-old teaching methods are no longer effective for the 21st century. We saw evidence of this fear of change first-hand with the flap over "Investigations" a few years back (an excellent program which was based on over 30 year's worth of recommendations from National Council of Teachers of Mathematics). But egads, it wasn't how WE were taught, so it must be NO GOOD. *eyeroll* Go ahead and fight for the status quo, Stow, while the world around you changes. Thank heavens for school choice so MY kids won't be left in the dust with yours.
Debbie S. February 10, 2012 at 01:01 pm
Sorry to disappoint you, Donny, but I still live here and am still a Stow taxpayer. As such, I have as much right to voice my opinions in this forum as any other Stow citizen!
Susan Ruiz Patton (Editor) February 10, 2012 at 02:22 pm
The debate is great, but let's treat each other with respect here, folks.
Tom Mcfalls February 11, 2012 at 06:40 pm
Debbie, yes you do have a right to express your views. I think it is interesting that Donny even challenged you. Maybe it is simply that you don't agree with him.

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