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Grammar Rant

A retired English teacher bemoans the state of the language today among the masses.

"We seen that deer run through the yard."

"Me and my brother will help you with that."

"If my husband had went to Home Depot instead..." (spoken by an English teacher!)

"Where you at?"  (not even "Where're you at?")

"We was workin' on it all day."

"People are like dead, and it was like scary, and I'm like no way..." ( interview)

Answering the phone: "Yeah, this is him. 'Sup?"

These are all real.  These are all horrible.  These are just a few really horrible English grammar or usage errors that have attacked my linguistic sensibilities recently, and I have had it!  This isn't the way English was used when I was growing up, and it certainly wasn't permitted when I spent 30+ years teaching English or Language Arts.

No, I didn't have one of those foreign-born, we-must-learn-to-speak-good-English-to-succeed-in-this-country childhoods.  It was a very normal, we-speak-correctly-in-this-family, plain old family that had been here for many generations. Dad, mother, sister, brother -- all good in English.  In all humility, though, I think I was the best in the family.

It was the nuns.  Now you may have all your cry-baby, the-nuns-were-so-mean repressed memories, but the nuns -- specifically the Humility of Mary (Blue Nuns) Sisters of Villa Maria, PA -- were the best teachers I could have had in grades 1-8, especially in English.  From first grade on, we had massive English lessons every day and English homework almost every night.  I learned -- I really had no choice.  But I learned proper English, correct usage, good syntax.  By the time I was in eighth grade, I was pretty sure that I knew more - tons more! - about the English language and its correct usage than my public school contemporaries.

I switched to public school for high school, and I was lucky enough - due to my English skills - to be placed in an "Honors/Advanced Placement" pilot program in English that had come to that school.  I liked it and did well.  I had several male English teachers along the way, and I decided that I would follow the same path they had pursued.

Once I became an English teacher I discovered that not all of my students spoke or wrote as well as I thought they would/should.  I became the English monster, the grammar nazi, and -- so-named by my high school students -- the grammar god.  You can bet, though, that my students would never have written or said any of the examples at the beginning of this piece.  They would have paid a horrible price if they had.  So why am I hearing and seeing it now?

I truly believe the problem began when many school systems stopped the teaching of grammar and usage in the upper grades as a discrete (don't even question my spelling there) subject.  No one conjugated verbs any more, so "we was" popped up.  No one learned the principal parts of verbs (necessary for learning conjugation!), so "we seen" and "he had went" became acceptable.  No one learned the difference between nominative and objective case pronouns, so "me and my brother" popped up. (Not to mention the politeness of never mentioning yourself first.)  No one learned about what follows a linking verb, so "this is him" popped up.  No one learned the difference between like and as, because none of this was being taught. The "theory" was that the students would learn all these things through writing, but I could never understand how they would know what I was marking on their writing (agr., pron/antecedent agr., tense, awk., shift, case, etc. etc. etc.) if they had never learned the basics to begin with.  I could go on and on.

I still do my share of editing, correcting and judging.  I am often bewildered by what I read or hear from seemingly intelligent people.  All those example at the beginning are from people I know, sometimes socialize with, and younger than I. (One is from the child of a friend and one was taken from the news.)  What do I do? Cringe and bite my tongue, I guess.  I can't correct them -- that would be rude.

By the way:  I once complimented Giant Eagle for its grammatically perfect Express Lane sign:  "12 Items or Fewer."  The folks there thought I was putting them on and that the sign should read "12 Items or Less." 

Sigh.

And don't even get me started about e-mail and texting, the "rules-free lower case flow that is little more than [poor] conversation."

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danielle waskowski July 23, 2012 at 08:33 pm
I have a perfect writing I just had the "pleasure" of reading in my upperclass veterinary technician studies class. This was supposed to be a somber talk about euthanasia, yet the horrible spelling had me cracking up! Maybe some day I will give you the pleasure of cringing at it Mr. Stephan!
Mary July 23, 2012 at 10:14 pm
Thank you!
KN July 24, 2012 at 07:49 pm
I blame my 8th grade english teacher Mr. Step..........
never mind
Tom Stephan July 24, 2012 at 07:59 pm
You realize, KN, that I have every Kimpton "ClassBook" from my years there, and I will now be searching frantically for someone with those initials. Unless, however, you are a married female and have -- correctly, of course -- taken your husband's last name, thereby changing your last initial. I did fail, though, if we look at the fact that you didn't even capitalize "english!"
This blogging business is fun!
SALLY DAVENPORT July 24, 2012 at 08:38 pm
Ending a sentence with "at" is always inappropriate, but the general rule is that clarity should be more important than strict rules. If reorganizing the sentence is possible without changing the meaning, do that. Otherwise leave the preposition at the end (but not "at")
Debby Baird July 24, 2012 at 08:39 pm
We "old-lady-English-teacher" types are not trying to justify our life's work; we believe that using correct grammar/usage serves a purpose. Everyday speech and texts are useful only when the receivers understand them. Formal writing and speech are necessary in many instances such as education, business, law, and medicine. I've discovered much apathy on this subject, but ignorance of proper usage and laziness are two separate issues. It's hard to force anyone to care, but I'll never quit trying. I am saddened that some children are not given the opportunity to learn proper English and some teachers have given in to the futility and just accept anything which makes sense. I do notice that I used a preppy verb there: "given in" has no object of the preposition, oh my! I accept the Modern Language Assosciation's pronouncement that split infinitives are now acceptable usage, but they hurt me a little.
SALLY DAVENPORT July 24, 2012 at 08:42 pm
Yes, communication is the most important issue. However, if there are many grammatical errors, the readers or listeners who do know correct grammar will be distracted by the errors. Because you personally have not noticed that poor grammar affects job status doesn't mean that the issue is unimportant. I know of people who were not hired ( and for executive jobs) because other applicants used better grammar.
Tom Brennan July 24, 2012 at 09:59 pm
As I type, a local business located on Pearl Road in Strongsville is touting their special Wednesday activities as "Wacky Wednesday's", and I brought that error to the attention of all Strongsville Patch viewers a few weeks ago. There has been no correction. Also spotted on a billboard at the Strongsville recreation baseball fields located on Foltz Parkway a few years ago, in an attempt to garner sponsorship: "Support Our Field's". In both cases, it appeared that these signs were produced by a professional company. I just don't understand.
Debbie Palmer (Editor) July 24, 2012 at 10:14 pm
Tom, local groups post their own activities on Strongsville Patch, but I just went into the listing and changed it. You've hit on my personal peeve -- the name signs families proudly display in their yards: The Smith's. Aargh!
KN July 24, 2012 at 11:13 pm
I thought you might like this
FOUR ALL WHO READ AND RIGHT: We'll begin with a box, and the plural is boxes; but the plural of ox became oxen not oxes. One fowl is a goose, but two are called geese, yet the plural of moose should never be meese. You may find a lone mouse or a nest full of mice; yet the plural of house is houses, not hice. If the plural of man is always called men, why shouldn't the plural of pan be called pen? If I spoke of my foot and show you my feet, and I give you a boot, would a pair be called beet? If one is a tooth and a whole set are teeth, why shouldn't the plural of booth be called beeth? Then one may be that, and three would be those, yet hat in the plural would never be hose, and the plural of cat is cats, not cose. We speak of a brother and also of brethren, but though we say mother, we never say methren. Then the masculine pronouns are he, his, and him, but imagine the feminine as being she, shis, and shim.
KN July 24, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Or this
Some other reasons to be grateful if you grew up speaking English: 1) The bandage was wound around the wound. 2) The farm was used to produce produce. 3) The dump was so full that it had to refuse more refuse. 4) We must polish the Polish furniture. 5) He could lead if he would get the lead out. 6) The soldier decided to desert his dessert in the desert. 7) Since there is no time like the present, he thought it was time to present the present. 8) At the Army base, a bass was painted on the head of a bass drum. 9) When shot at, the dove dove into! the bushes. 10) I did not object to the object. 11) The insurance was invalid for the invalid. 12) There was a row among the oarsmen about how to row. 13) They were too close to the door to close it. 14) The buck does funny things when the does are present. 15) A seamstress and a sewer fell down into a sewer line. 16) To help with planting, the farmer taught his sow to sow. 17) The wind was too strong to wind the sail. 18) After a number of Novocain injections, my jaw got number. 19) Upon seeing the tear in the painting I shed a tear. 20) I had to subject the subject to a series of tests. 21) How can I intimate this to my most intimate friend? 22) I spent last evening evening out a pile of dirt. Let's face it - English is a crazy language.
Steve Rosen July 25, 2012 at 05:33 am
KN, Very clever, but why the "!" in number nine?
Richard Hollis July 25, 2012 at 04:01 pm
Listening to the news is the worst. The reporters misuse and mispronounce at every opportunity.
I used to correct my younger daughters at the dinner table and they complained about it. Their older sisters said, "you had better listen to dad because he's right." It often becomes difficult to write what is right because of what one hears when going from here to there or to their friends house. The battle will never be won.
Zachary Shook July 25, 2012 at 08:57 pm
I have volumes of words that are homonyms of one other, left over from college English classes. I can't really delve into the contest of the worst type, as we all do it, even when we protest our correctness in a situation, even when we're wrong. Or we use abridged text to convey a point. The problem is when this is the basal form of communication, and it converts en masse to the people who pick it up as the modern staple of communication. It shows that stupid is becoming educational, not just something we can avert. Irony or the duplicity of a subculture moving it's way up?
Dennis Spirgen July 25, 2012 at 11:36 pm
Woe is we. (Look it up.) Improper English usage is something up with which we should not put. However, bear in ind that language is a living thing that evolves over time. Today's improper usage can become tomorrow's standard.
I.M. Wright July 26, 2012 at 10:48 am
And it's only going to get worse (if it hasn't already).
Thanks to instant messaging, Twitter & the rest of 'em.
KC July 26, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Not being picky, but don't you mean 'grateful'??
Richard Hollis July 26, 2012 at 10:31 pm
How about congraduations?
Richard Hollis July 26, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Many times people say, "do you see what I'm saying?" My response is, "no, but I hear what you're looking at."
I.M. Wright July 26, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Do we have any Cav's or Indian's fans in here? ;)
I.M. Wright July 26, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Is it just me or has anyone else witnessed this gem -- "rediculous" -- being used a lot over the past few years?
Richard Hollis July 27, 2012 at 01:07 am
Ridiculous!
William B Budner ESQ. July 27, 2012 at 02:07 am
lowercase is my preferred method. sorry! not sorry!
R J W July 27, 2012 at 02:08 am
Those reading this are going to be surprised to find out it is NOT going to get any better. Face it, thank technology and our laziness. I can't say much as Tom was my English teacher in high school and I remember many of the lessons. However, I have no problem with texting and short acronyms and will continue to use them , even in the noble summit county area. LOL
Tom Stephan July 27, 2012 at 04:05 am
RJW, who are you?? (Not 'who r u?' -- horrible) Obviously, I did not spend enough time on proper nouns. Summit County --- capitalized --- Hello?
Are we having fun or what?
Dave Nadzam July 27, 2012 at 01:18 pm
I'm no grammarian but I enjoy these discussions because it makes me think and wonder... Texting shorthand (2 for to, r for are, LOL, etc.) came about because cellphones originally did not have full keyboards and typing complete words became a chore. I think it also came about to speed up "instant messaging." I haven't a problem with it as long as the shorthand does not cross over to formal written communication. It's like another language and the two need to be kept separated.
"The Smith's" as in a sign planted in front of a house. Without the Smiths standing behind the sign, it is the Smith's house or residence. I don't know when it may have happened but could the sign be shorthand for the Smith's house? What if there is only one Smith living there; would the sign read "The Smith?" Likewise, someone says, "I'm going to the Smith's" or I am going to be at the Smith's." Without the word "house" (as in "I am going to the Smih's house") is it incorrect to use the apostrophe? If using first names, would one say, "I am going to Bills" or "I am going to Bill's?". In English, it is a tangled web we weave!
Dave Nadzam July 27, 2012 at 02:15 pm
When people use "see" in this manner, it means "understand" and it's use is correct. In this use it means discern or deduce mentally after reflection or from information. Examples:
1. I can't see any other way to treat it 2. I saw that perhaps he was right 3. she could see what Rhoda meant
CFCSParent July 27, 2012 at 03:11 pm
This blog has really touched a nerve with a lot of people, me included. I agree with many of the respondents, the way the English language is used will continue to get worse as technology increases.
People are lazy and rely on their computers to auto-correct grammatical and spelling errors. While typing this comment, the red squiggly line has appeared a few times for various spelling errors. I have paid attention and corrected my mistakes but there are many people that don't. They ignore them and hit send or save before re-reading the content. I don't know how many emails I have received from people with spelling, capitalization, grammatical and sentence structure errors. I just shake my head in disbelief. These people are supposed to be business professionals! As an example, when you type "form" instead of "from", the computer says "form" is a real word and does not recognize it as an error. Doesn't matter if it makes sense in the sentence, it's a real word so it is left alone. This is one of my biggest pet peeves. Please, please, please proofread everything before you click the 'send' button. (stepping off soap box now) My grandmother was an English teacher and everything I learned from her, as well as my English teachers in high school, plays a big part in my everyday life. Proofreading is part of my job and if I didn't know the little bit that I know, it would be very difficult to do what I do ;-)
James Thomas July 27, 2012 at 06:24 pm
Got Me.
Susan Kaminski July 27, 2012 at 06:49 pm
In addition to not knowing the difference between its and it's, my pet peeve is people using "should of, would of, could of". Obviously not realizing it's "should've, etc.".
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